New topic because I have more questions/points so we need a new topic apparently for that

Kelly wrote:Hi,

Seeing as you and Jiggalo both like to make topics rather than use the private message function (which is quite effective, and evident as to who leads this project based on who posts the topics…), let me clarify something, just because the weekly debate is passed does not mean it cannot be posted on. Is the thread locked? No, so you can still post on older debates.

The weekly debate is something to gouge people's interest. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it does. The forums overall are not skyrocketing with activity, ergo it isn't really surprising that this section isn't booming either. If people want to debate, discuss, discover, that's awesome. If not, then so be it.

Stop trying to fight everything tooth and nail or hate on it, please. It's seriously tiring. I get you and Jig aren't a fan of the way debate works now, it's very apparent, but seeing as the section is getting some support as opposed to getting none before it was ultimately decided to be revived by Frekwency, it's a step in a positive direction. Embrace the change, man.

Thanks. Topic locked since I pretty much answered your original question/statement/point of thread.

Broeder wrote:
1. I make topics to create discussion, which should be possible especially in a discussion based subforum. I do this because i do not believe to be right, only that my opinion could spark a discussion which might improve the situation. Even if you lead this project, you dont do it alone and you do it for other members so a private message would be a weird way of communicating.

- A private message would be a lot better than posting on forum to get it answered then locked. FYI shes not the only leader of this project

2. By you labeling discussions as passed, you make them less accessible. Also, what does labeling topics as passed even mean in a subforum where every topic gets less than 1 page of replies. Does that mean that everything that could have been said has been said? Or just that you cant think of a way to spark that discussion?

-- I don't think you understand the term "WEEKLY" it means the 7 calendar days from the point a topic is posted to the point in which it has "PASSED".
I has NOTHING to do with X amount of replies on it it is simply because people were not interested in posting we have nothing against someone that posts on one that has passed (within forum rules).

3. I realize the general activity is bad as it is, but thats not relevant to how you (should) run a subforum.

- Oke seeing as you are all knowing in how it "SHOULD" be running, why not post a suggestion on the sticky?
- General activity is low and it is directly effecting a less popular section i do not see what we as PLs have done wrong in terms of activity.

4. Again, im not fighting you on anything. Im just voicing my opinion which, if 8 reps can be considered a metric for agreement (not sure on that but its one of the only ones we have available), might be shared by more people. Too bad you dont allow those people to post in my topic though.

- leave this for Kelly  

5.  Are you satisfied with the quality of the activity? Or are you just looking at ways of getting activity in this subforum?

- Ofcourse we are not satisfied with the overall activity. However we are looking a different ways to make it appeal to more people and get some advertising going.


6. You didnt "pretty much answered my original question/statement/point of thread" and you wont do that in this topic either so please dont lock this topic (or archive it for that matter).

- Leave this one as well (to Kelly)

edit: Jig could you explain your statement? I dont quite know how /pol/ works so didnt get your comparison

Gildarts wrote:

Broeder wrote:
1. I make topics to create discussion, which should be possible especially in a discussion based subforum. I do this because i do not believe to be right, only that my opinion could spark a discussion which might improve the situation. Even if you lead this project, you dont do it alone and you do it for other members so a private message would be a weird way of communicating.

- A private message would be a lot better than posting on forum to get it answered then locked. FYI shes not the only leader of this project

2. By you labeling discussions as passed, you make them less accessible. Also, what does labeling topics as passed even mean in a subforum where every topic gets less than 1 page of replies. Does that mean that everything that could have been said has been said? Or just that you cant think of a way to spark that discussion?

-- I don't think you understand the term "WEEKLY" it means the 7 calendar days from the point a topic is posted to the point in which it has "PASSED".
I has NOTHING to do with X amount of replies on it it is simply because people were not interested in posting we have nothing against someone that posts on one that has passed (within forum rules).

3. I realize the general activity is bad as it is, but thats not relevant to how you (should) run a subforum.

- Oke seeing as you are all knowing in how it "SHOULD" be running, why not post a suggestion on the sticky?
- General activity is low and it is directly effecting a less popular section i do not see what we as PLs have done wrong in terms of activity.

4. Again, im not fighting you on anything. Im just voicing my opinion which, if 8 reps can be considered a metric for agreement (not sure on that but its one of the only ones we have available), might be shared by more people. Too bad you dont allow those people to post in my topic though.

- leave this for Kelly  

5.  Are you satisfied with the quality of the activity? Or are you just looking at ways of getting activity in this subforum?

- Ofcourse we are not satisfied with the overall activity. However we are looking a different ways to make it appeal to more people and get some advertising going.


6. You didnt "pretty much answered my original question/statement/point of thread" and you wont do that in this topic either so please dont lock this topic (or archive it for that matter).

- Leave this one as well (to Kelly)

edit: Jig could you explain your statement? I dont quite know how /pol/ works so didnt get your comparison

Once Kelly has replied the bit i left out i will lock this. Enjoy

Cille wrote:I agree with Music and Broeder.

@Broeder, I think Kelly feels pm is easier because she won't have to answer to you in public so people can see her getting all defensive over nothing.
You bring up a lot of interesting points and I'd really like to see them getting answered by the people leading this 'project' or whatever they call it.

@Cille Making an assumption why someone prefers a PM and being so crude about it is not a debate but a personal poke at someone. Please debate facts you may know and avoid opinions based on pure assumption. I'm sure you've heard the term "Assumptions make an ass out you and me"

For example: Me making the assumption that you posted here on this thread to instigate a personal attack, while no other posts in this section are made by you on the whole 1st page, would make me an ass. Assumptions don't have a place in communication. Just my $0.02

Secondly after reading all this, there are some good points brought on by Broeder that I think Kid and Kelly did respond to well. Kelly agreed that how they move from old threads to new can be adjusted and after going thru the section I agree with Broeder's point on it. I should personally be more involved in the section but sometimes more important things do come up.

Activity can pick up and I will be the first to say that I am not overly active in this section as are not many of you. It is a section that has had its ups and its downs many many times in the history of SM and will probably continue to. Many sections are like this. The Suggestion Sticky was made so those leading this section can get help to improve it because we are not all knowing.. we make mistakes. That's why the thread is there.

All your questions Broeder, have a point but can be expressed in a more productive way. Instead of criticizing work, lets actually give suggestions or input to improve it. Criticizing may come off as slightly aggressive (can't think of another word... so excuse the harshness that may come off) so the party on the receiving end can feel defensive.

P.S. As usual... JIGL0JAY I have no clue what you are saying at all

Broeder wrote:
Edit: @merchtillidie: Why not? In what world would a person not be allowed to voice his opinion? Its not like he has a direct say in anything, so i dont see how that reason applies

Broeder wrote:
You completely misread half my post...
1. Thats exactly what im saying and why a topic is better than a pm
2. I never said anything about x posts or whatever, nor does it matter what you call it. It matters what you try to accomplish with those topics which right now seems to be no more than expect 1 or 2 people to state their superficial opinion and leave it at that.

: http://www.smokinelite.com/t82078-weekly-debate-discussion-topic-suggestion

3-5. Im not saying anything about the amount of activity, im saying that the posts that do get made dont actually spark discussion it seems. Be it either by your opening posts or peoples responses. Now that either means that those posts arent good enough or that theres just not enough people who want this to happen (relatively speaking to the overall activity, not looking at an absolute number).

: http://www.smokinelite.com/t82076-we-want-your-feedback
: http://www.smokinelite.com/t82078-weekly-debate-discussion-topic-suggestion

People are allowed to post on their own accords as well as suggest a weekly topic, no? i don't get it if our Topics don't spark discussion and you see this why not suggest topics? or Post some they you feel will. This thread just seems to be focusing on Criticizing instead of "making a discussion" (inb4 you say it)

3. Also, I never think im all knowing im just up for a good discussion where people to get to voice their real opinions. I feel its more beneficial to a constructive environment. Fight me on any of my points, but come with good arguments, and I will just like you more because of it.
im with u here.

[ADMIN] Adrijana wrote:

Cille wrote:I agree with Music and Broeder.

@Broeder, I think Kelly feels pm is easier because she won't have to answer to you in public so people can see her getting all defensive over nothing.
You bring up a lot of interesting points and I'd really like to see them getting answered by the people leading this 'project' or whatever they call it.

@Cille Making an assumption why someone prefers a PM and being so crude about it is not a debate but a personal poke at someone. Please debate facts you may know and avoid opinions based on pure assumption. I'm sure you've heard the term "Assumptions make an ass out you and me"

For example: Me making the assumption that you posted here on this thread to instigate a personal attack, while no other posts in this section are made by you on the whole 1st page, would make me an ass. Assumptions don't have a place in communication. Just my $0.02

Secondly after reading all this, there are some good points brought on by Broeder that I think Kid and Kelly did respond to well. Kelly agreed that how they move from old threads to new can be adjusted and after going thru the section I agree with Broeder's point on it. I should personally be more involved in the section but sometimes more important things do come up.

Cille wrote:

[ADMIN] Adrijana wrote:

Cille wrote:I agree with Music and Broeder.

@Broeder, I think Kelly feels pm is easier because she won't have to answer to you in public so people can see her getting all defensive over nothing.
You bring up a lot of interesting points and I'd really like to see them getting answered by the people leading this 'project' or whatever they call it.

@Cille Making an assumption why someone prefers a PM and being so crude about it is not a debate but a personal poke at someone. Please debate facts you may know and avoid opinions based on pure assumption. I'm sure you've heard the term "Assumptions make an ass out you and me"

For example: Me making the assumption that you posted here on this thread to instigate a personal attack, while no other posts in this section are made by you on the whole 1st page, would make me an ass. Assumptions don't have a place in communication. Just my $0.02

Secondly after reading all this, there are some good points brought on by Broeder that I think Kid and Kelly did respond to well. Kelly agreed that how they move from old threads to new can be adjusted and after going thru the section I agree with Broeder's point on it. I should personally be more involved in the section but sometimes more important things do come up.

I have no problem with you assuming, be my guest
I posted here because I found it interesting, nothing else on these forums has caught my eye so no need for me to post on it.
I'm not trying to attack Kelly, it's just as much Kid who I think is getting defensive over nothing. And last time I checked I was allowed to post my opinion, and so I will

Cille wrote:
I have no problem with you assuming, be my guest
I posted here because I found it interesting, nothing else on these forums has caught my eye so no need for me to post on it.
I'm not trying to attack Kelly, it's just as much Kid who I think is getting defensive over nothing. And last time I checked I was allowed to post my opinion, and so I will

Connor wrote:I think you all need to chill.

Let broeder and Jiglo do what they want, which is making debate posts. We all know those two are like 50% of the users who visit this section that are non-ranked. You guys don't need to be so orderly about everything. I said it before and I'll say it again; I think you guys are trying wayyyy too hard for a section that hardly has any activity. Not everything needs to be ruled with an iron fist. It's one section that a few people post in, how about listening to them and working towards their needs, instead of getting defensive over everything.

Just my $0.02

[ADMIN] Adrijana wrote: Best debate in a long ass time

[ADMIN] Adrijana wrote: Best debate in a long ass time

Gildarts wrote:Solved and swayed way off topic Locked.

Gildarts wrote:Solved and swayed way off topic Locked.

JIGL0JAY wrote:

[ADMIN] Adrijana wrote: Best debate in a long ass time

IMMA LET YOU FINISH

BUT PROVE MY EXISTENCE IN A GEOPOLITICAL STATE WAS THE BEST THREAD OF ALL TIME